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May 26th, 2007

Historical trends @ 09:30 pm

godfish:
Dean raised in interesting point in the comments on the first post, and I thought that that discussion deserves its own thread, so here it is.

The presence of unusual powers of one type or another, if a constant, would have a catastrophic impact on history (or prehistory).  So, if such things are always around, do they go through periods where they hide or go underground, and if they do, why?  And if they aren't around all the time (or go through ups and downs), what causes them to either disappear or become rarer?  To answer these questions, we'd have to answer some basic questions about superhuman powers.  If superhuman powers are born from a basic single idea or source, what source is it and why would it either fluctuate or not?

Well, my basic idea is to allow all sorts of powers, from magic to mutants to superscience.  So what single source might still allow for that range?  Well, perhaps some part of the human genome occasionally becomes active because of differences in cosmic radiation?  Nah...too pseudosciency.  But perhaps, at some point in prehistory humanity's makeup was altered by some agency...like an unspeakable ancient and possibly evil civilization which was attempting to create a more effective and useful slave population?  However, the modification could be genetically unpredictable, fluctuating based on seemingly inconsequential changes in environment, population, diet, etc.  Or is this too arcane?
 
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From:godfish
Date:May 31st, 2007 02:03 am (UTC)

Stop me before I subjugate again!

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I thought about something else, adding another layer to the possibility of the ancient "progenitor" race. Perhaps the original ruling race departed Earth before humanity had fully evolved. Their original "seeded" species wasn't human at all, but resembled the dominant life form of the time...the amphibians or the reptiles (dinosaurs). When the progenitor race left, they left their technology and arcane knowledge in the hands of their own slave race, which eventually adopted it as their own.

It was this race that eventually took over the Earth. When the progenitor race returned eons later, their former slaves fought them off and won. The progenitors, during this conflict, seeded a new species arising at that time, the mammals, particularly a breed of semi-upright primates. Unfortunately, their techniques proved inconsistent and unpredictable when applied to mammals (an upstart classification in the universe at that time), and what was to be their new species of war machine never got going...but the seeding had begun a weird process of genetic flux in what would eventually become the human genome. Some of the mammals evolved into strange megafauna in the following eons, and some others, like the protohumans, evolved highly developed brains and cognitive capability to survive. Occassionally, a particular specimen would exhibit unusual traits, but these were very rare most of the time.

The original seeded race saw the potential of the emerging humans began enslaving them for their own ends. This eventually led to the cycle beginning again, with the humans slowly accumulating the knowledge and some of the technology of the original seeded race, and then the humans rebelled against their masters, overthrowing them. I've got several ideas for what happens at this point. Honestly, I think that, historically, this particular era of the rebellion would be a good starting point for at least one or two good comic stories.

Whaddaya think?
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From:godfish
Date:June 3rd, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)

Re: Stop me before I subjugate again!

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Okay, some additional notes on the progenitors and the original earthlings they tinkered with. First, the progenitors' technology was a mixture of both magic and a lot of biotech. I'm thinking that pretty much everything they did would be through the manipulation of organic matter. They would have accomplished this through magic, sort of a "magitech." Basically, for the progenitors and their immediate inheritors on Earth, magic and technology were synonymous.

This would play a role for the protohumans in the following way, I think. Humanity would view the whole process with an instinctive horror, as it was a tool used to both forcibly mutate them and to hold them in subjugation. Thus, humans would for a large portion of this prehistory remain terrified of any use of this technology. Thus, they were initially very reluctant to use it at all. Eventually, their unusual powers would begin to manifest, though, allowing them a secret weapon against their oppressors without having to make use of the evil alien tech. This period could form the first set of stories in the timeline of the universe.

After the defeat of the first rulers of Earth, humanity would eventually take over and begin to use the evil tech, in many ways being corrupted by it. This would lead to the end of the first real golden age of human civilization, which would be a great backdrop for a series of stories. These would be reminiscent of Robert E. Howard's earlier works about the decay of ancient civilizations.

Still thinking about where to go from there, honestly.
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From:godfish
Date:June 8th, 2007 02:18 am (UTC)

Magic, mayhem, and the genetic manipulation

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So, if all human superpowers might be the result of the manipulation of the nascent human genome by the progenitors, what about characters with magic powers or technological abilities? I'm thinking such abilities could arise from the same genetic manipulation allowing higher intelligence in humans. Basically, I'm thinking that in the world of Mosaick, magic can be done by anyone with sufficient willpower, knowledge, and possibly belief. This falls in line with most folk magic, traditional hermetic magic, and even neoceltic magical beliefs. Magic is a force that exists in the universe in the same way that gravity, heat, and nuclear forces exist. It can be tapped by anyone who is willing to dedicate the time, energy, and will to learn how. Magic is just a little harder to master, as it involves direct personal manipulation of a universal force, not merely capitalizing on a natural series of reactions or processes as most modern and ancient science and technology does.
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Date:June 18th, 2007 01:26 pm (UTC)

i dont remember my account info, but

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this is dalton, btw.

One theory of physics describes the universe as a complex information system. all phenomena that occurs in the universe is just data, in this view of the universe. modifications to the universe can be achieved by changing or overriding the data already present. this view of the universe can be viewed, in other words, as the data on the hard drive of a computer.

My suggestion for a single unification of power than can still account for magic, mutants, super science, and professional wrestling, is that some individuals tap into this information system more efficiently than others. The system doesn't care how the individual defines his access, and the access could be extensive and flexible (like an expert on his own home computer) or limited and static (like a toddler with an etch-a-sketch). In fact the person who exhibits the 'abilities' wouldn't need to be the person with the increased access to the data. (bobby believes in magic. John is a mage. nether knows or suspects, but bobby is rewriting physics in the general area he lives in, and so john is capable of tossing fireballs. The changes can be temporary or lasting, depending on the being, his degree of access, and the way type of access and worldview inviolved.

under this system, your progenitors would be pretty well plugged in, but would probably only be vulnrable to others that were pretty well plugged in. they may very well be fighting each other or others of similar ilk for control over regions of the universe to rewrite, and may be, at the same time at the mercy of their own, and indeed, each others neurosis and psychosis to the extent that somone saying their name three times may force an appearance wether they like it or not.

just a random thought. now im off to get some sleep.
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From:godfish
Date:June 19th, 2007 01:21 am (UTC)

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That's a good possibility as well. I generally dislike computer programming references in my metaphysics ("Your metaphysics are in my computer programming!" "Your computer programming is in my metaphysics!"), but the idea does have some merit. It also gives another rationale for why the progenitors' creations can gain enough power to ultimately cast off their creators' yoke.
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Date:August 1st, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)

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It sounds like the progenitors have sufficiently advanced technology that it might as well be magic (or vice versa). Maybe magic is just progenitor-level technology, with undetectable mechanisms just waiting to respond to the right codewords and brainwaves.
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From:godfish
Date:August 8th, 2007 05:47 pm (UTC)

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They could definitely be characterized that way. I kind of like the more cthulhuesque hybrid of magic and tech idea, personally. And I want all the progenitor stuff to be really disturbing...think yucky biomystic tech with ooze, goo, and funny smells. Sort of like the magitech equivalent of Indian food.

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